tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7720353173141418796.post1321910580303938899..comments2023-10-30T05:25:44.260-04:00Comments on Michele Kearney's Snuffysmith's Blog: A World Without Islam by Graham FullerMichele Kearneyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11381846168595340177noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7720353173141418796.post-81267634471688878712011-08-31T21:42:31.582-04:002011-08-31T21:42:31.582-04:00Interesting story you got here. I'd like to re...Interesting story you got here. I'd like to read more concerning this matter. Thanks for sharing this data. Calina<br><a href="http://1000kievescorts.com/" rel="nofollow">Kiev escort service</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7720353173141418796.post-81099164920792094822010-12-02T14:14:03.442-05:002010-12-02T14:14:03.442-05:00Free of Jihad?? Ask yourself what causes this &quo...Free of Jihad?? Ask yourself what causes this "Jihad"...Arab nations are not upset with America because of Our freedom or anything like that, they are upset with the constant intruding from the U.S. upon their land...Im sure America, a christianity based nation, would react the same way if, lets say, North Korea or China were in our streets with military kicking down the doors of our homes, or "accidently" killing our women and children. After awhile of constant harassment on people you have no right to pick on, those people are going to start to obviously be bred to think that you are the enemy and begin to seek revenge...im just saying!...Us Americans would react the same way...THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7720353173141418796.post-10704394957529385802010-10-21T17:45:30.314-04:002010-10-21T17:45:30.314-04:00A "world without Islam" would be a world...A "world without Islam" would be a world free of jihad, taqiyya, honor killings not to mention the lies of Graham Fuller's buddy Fethulah Gulen and his control of media, schools, politicans, politics, police and military. Gulen was kicked out of Turkey for a reason but Graham Fuller wrote a letter to Homeland Security in favor of Visa granting to Fetosh who only has a 5th grad education.<br />You Americans are getting a major snow job to the tune of $1 billion in Educational funds.<br />http://www.charterschoolwatchdog.com<br />http://www.harmonyparenttruth.blogspot.comGulen is a Fraudhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13974327239468066023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7720353173141418796.post-78843112374671489622009-07-24T08:27:51.811-04:002009-07-24T08:27:51.811-04:00Islam, as mentioned in the article was a unifying ...Islam, as mentioned in the article was a unifying force in the sense that it effectively smothered the cultures that pre-dated it, either by outright killings or conversions (forced and voluntary). The concept of viewing the pre-Islamic period as a benighted period ("jayhiliyah") was extended to the conquered peoples, whether they be Persians, Berbers or Egyptians. Its unity was based on the erasure of the past. As for the Jews, they constituted a sizable minority in the Christian East, not the 'blip' the article's author implies. Some of the more shrill and ahistorical commenters on this blog continue to refer to Jews and Israel as some interlopers against the poor, woebegotten "Palestinians". Had Islam not materialized, what is referred to as Palestine was heavily Christian AND Jewish in the 7th century and would likely have been peopled by these separate communities. Large Jewish communities on North Africa and Mesopotamia (eventually depleted by the depredations of Arabs and Islam) would have continued their attachment to historic Israel. Who knows where this might have led; perhaps an earlier reconstitution of Israel before the 20th century.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7720353173141418796.post-55765181077173096352009-07-24T07:56:14.595-04:002009-07-24T07:56:14.595-04:00This is all a thought experiment. Just go with it ...This is all a thought experiment. Just go with it and stop dissecting it as if it's an inaccurate retelling of history.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7720353173141418796.post-13861085396502974632009-07-05T20:46:53.975-04:002009-07-05T20:46:53.975-04:00a religon is not a race.a religon is not a race.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7720353173141418796.post-78829676786224369852009-05-16T11:12:00.000-04:002009-05-16T11:12:00.000-04:00If the Near and Middle East remained Orthodox Chri...If the Near and Middle East remained Orthodox Christian, Orthodoxy and not Catholicism would have become the dominant form of Christianity and the Roman papacy would have likely fallen, as there is nothing about Orthodoxy that would have been unpalatable to Western Christians. (Can you imagine getting illiterate soldiers to fight to the death over 'filioque'?) <br /><br />The divide in Christianity would have been between the Judaic and Gnostic varieties, leading to some very interesting theology. Possibly the most profound consequence- no Rome, no Protestant Reformation and all the great ideas that sprung from it. I dare say that Islam not existing would have had a stronger effect on the West than the East.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7720353173141418796.post-83259169535737837392009-04-09T02:42:00.000-04:002009-04-09T02:42:00.000-04:00I will agree that humans are perfectly capable of ...I will agree that humans are perfectly capable of killing each other without any one religion. I do not wish to indict the founding of one religion with the ills of the world.<BR/><BR/>However, I believe you miss some points. <BR/><BR/>The crusades, though evil and opportunistic, would not have been as resounding a feat had they not been provoked first. There was jihad before there was a crusade, ask the inhabitants of the Iberian Peninsula and Charles Martel.<BR/><BR/>Doubtless the European imperialist did expand far and wide, but I do not believe that at the era France took Algiers, that Islamism (not necessarily Islam itself) can be overlooked as to cause. The French actually took it, in large part, due to the threat of Piracy. Corssairs all along the Barbary Coast had been tormenting European (and American) ships for centuries. These Corsairs enjoyed great patronage by the Ottoman Caliph and used the excuse that it was their duty and right to enslave the unbelievers, or to receive tribute therefrom. Thus the seizing of the North African Arablands was also provoked. <BR/><BR/>By that I don't wish to apologize for the Europeans. For years they indulged the monsters with tribute and probably didn't see fit to invade until doing a cold and wicked cost=benefit analysis.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14667598981807841378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7720353173141418796.post-19613964660539555522009-02-18T20:47:00.000-05:002009-02-18T20:47:00.000-05:00This article is completely ridiculous. The importa...This article is completely ridiculous. The importance of Islam in the West is monumental and any attempt to conceive of the world without it is bound to be futile. Islam is symbolically Christianity's doppelganger - it is fundamental in how Christians define themselves as "Western." I stumble at trying to find all of the things you left out but I will try to give a complete list. With out Islam, you have no Spanish inquisition, no expulsion of the Jews from Spain and its eventual decline, possibly no Spanish adventures in the New World. You really don't have the crusades - possibly an earlier form of colonialism? - so you lose one of the forces destroying feudalism, you lose the idea of Christendom really. The Islamic empire was the dominant force in the medieval world and the power of the Catholic Church was based around the fear of these invader. Then, of course, the whole idea of the Reformation comes into question - which is an essential event in the creation of modernity. Does the absence of an Islamic threat make the Reformation more palatable? Or less extreme? Probably both. Where comes modern capitalism without Calvinism? Where comes American democracy without that? Perhaps if Austria and southern Germany weren't so afraid of the invading Muslims they would have consented to Luther's Reformation and we would have had a Germany united by religion three hundred years before 1871. Then you lose the French Revolution, Napoleon. France itself declines as a major European state. Perhaps German Nationalism and Lutheranism become so intertwined that it functions as a national religion. The entire modern western history is fucked. In fact, I'll just say this. Without the threat of Islam to unite Europe, the West would never have become the dominant force in the world. It would be torn apart by rivalries. No Islam, no modernity. Jesus, this article is fucking stupid. Why don't you pick up a History book, Asshole!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7720353173141418796.post-87346007581548184562009-02-01T14:45:00.000-05:002009-02-01T14:45:00.000-05:00Apologetic hogwash! I cannot speculate about the w...Apologetic hogwash! I cannot speculate about the world prior to WWII, but most definetly the world after would have evolved into something more peaceful without Islam. Islam like Nazism, is a filthy ideology of war and oppression set on world domination. According to the Quran, Allah sent Mohammed with the "true" religion not for peaceful coexistence with other faiths, but so it should rule over all other religions and it calls for war against those people who won´t accept its superior reign. There is no real peace, only periods of cease fire until Moslems gain more power to resume the fighting. This is a war that will not end untill Islam rules the whole world. HUMANITY HAS SOME TOUGH TIMES AHEAD!Freethinker2308https://www.blogger.com/profile/17717135238760376291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7720353173141418796.post-41787384390506742362009-01-26T21:57:00.000-05:002009-01-26T21:57:00.000-05:00People often say religion is one of the most preva...People often say religion is one of the most prevalent causes of war. But when one really analyzes world history, one sees that nationalism, ethnocentrism, and plain greed are much more common engines of war. If you don't believe me, explain to me how Palestinians and Israelis can get along in Chicago while they practice the same religions as Palestinians and Israelis in Jerusalem. <BR/><BR/>I am dismayed to see that Graham Fuller has completely missed the cultural and scientific advances made by Islamic civilization. Algebra, chemistry, surgery, and so many other fields were greatly improved by Muslims whose minds were trained by Islam. The Hajj was once the world's greatest scientific conference where Muslims from around the known globe could share ideas. Disappointing Mr. Fuller.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7720353173141418796.post-34772204461071901982008-10-13T02:57:00.000-04:002008-10-13T02:57:00.000-04:00One Book religion, One god religion (with millions...One Book religion, One god religion (with millions of interpretations) Sunday religion, Friday religion, miracle reliogion, The religion whose prayer..oh God give me my daily bread' gosh..that could be the prayer of my pet.. It was always for power Christ and Allah earned followers. See how Vatican proclaims saints on the heresay of 'miracles' performed by them...Let's ask this question to these blind followers. Is there God? What is his relationship with humanity and the rest ofthe world ? How do we realise God? See how hollow the philosophy of 'sunday religion' and 'friday religion' is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7720353173141418796.post-52471711249755256672008-06-03T22:36:00.000-04:002008-06-03T22:36:00.000-04:00Just to comment on the idea that many have about I...Just to comment on the idea that many have about Islam being ideologically a religion of violence based on passages from the Qu'ran...I would have to warn any Christian who would do so that they are treading on shaky ground since much of the Qu'ran is based on the Bible. So by quoting Qu'ranic scripture to prove the violent nature of Islam you may be unwittingly doing the same to Christianity. The truth is that both the Christian Bible and Muslim Qu'ran have many violent passages as well as many peaceful passages (mostly parallel) ...it's all about context! Even leaving scripture out of it and judging each by their actions alone, both historically and in the modern era will show more similarities than disparities in the atrocities commited by each as well as great acts of charity and goodwill.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7720353173141418796.post-51152041411699943052008-03-19T02:50:00.000-04:002008-03-19T02:50:00.000-04:00AssalamAlaikum,Its an interesting article and has ...AssalamAlaikum,<BR/><BR/>Its an interesting article and has given us several different aspects to think about. Foreign policy hmmm... I think everyone will agree to the fact that once you write some article the best approach is to keep the reader involved till the last word. The catch would be to write depending on the interest of target audience the article Title catches every other eye... so a reader starts reading it, then article starts describing the ways wars and conflicts around the world started again keeping religion on focus. Then the last comment that I read about this article was creating a new religion again a certain objective of a certain group of people...<BR/><BR/>I would Just like to say Allah is one and Mohammad PBUH is his last messenger. Last book revealed on mankind is Holy Quran and Allah is the one and only almighty who will last forever. No one can challenge the words of Allah and Allah has revealed that "Today I have completed my religion on you" and I am just a man obedient to Allah, for once if we start thinking and stop acting like a God all our conflicts and issues will be resolved.<BR/><BR/>Conflicts are never because of religion it always happens when we start taking matters into our own hands. The first ever person who got killed on this face of earth was not killed based on religious matters he was killed because of following his own consience...<BR/><BR/>Just remember for once Satin is our true enemy and he has openly declared his enimosity to all. So always keep that in our mind that Allah is our best of the friends and Satin is our enemy always trying to deviate us from the righteous path.<BR/><BR/>May Allah guide us and help us understand each other.<BR/><BR/>Regards and keep me in your prayers,<BR/><BR/>Atif MukhtarAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7720353173141418796.post-45908123674200847692008-02-05T15:26:00.000-05:002008-02-05T15:26:00.000-05:00Interesting article, a colorful thread: personal p...Interesting article, a colorful thread: personal passions flaring, people talking past each other, each adament about asserting his/ her "opinion" or "belief" as the best alternative, as the enlightened choice.<BR/><BR/>Somewhat symptomatic of the issues that underly the question under consideration :) ... would the absence of one religion or all religions change the course of history? Both the subset and superset propositions are interesting intellectual exercises, why not? Sometime intellectual exercises are purely done for personal edification, and not necassarily to reach some grand conclusions. The process of going through the exercise, however, does allow for critical thinking that can shed new light in either the area under consideration or in other areas. Case in point: Fermat's last theorem. Prooving it took over 300 years, but prooving it really "achieved" nothing of real substance. It was purely intellectual. However, the process of getting there was long and arduous and spawned off entirely new fields of mathematics that are the cornerstone of a lot of modern thinking. I digress, of course.<BR/><BR/>Back to the discussion at hand. Religion is a tool (call it Christianity or Communism, both are ideas that consolidate a population under the banner of something bigger than the self, bigger than the collective, something abstract and intangible ...), and regardless of whether it has a divine or a human inspiration component at its foundation, I would hypothesize that in the absence of the religions/ ideologies that populate our culture and imagination today, if history were to unfold without these specific shisms, it would be different sure, but not significantly different, not structurally different. We would invent "religions" all over again. Relgion fuels many components of our humanity including, but not limited to: fear of the future and of the unknown (alpha and omega included), hope and optimism, power and control, structure and organization, economic and social scale and scope, and my personal favorite, our propensity towards "herd" psychology etc. Unless we, humans, had evolved with an entirely different set of characteristics, we humans, as we know ourselves, would always develop systems and structures akin to religion (divine or otherwise). In trying to think through some of this mess recently, I wrote:<BR/><BR/>"Nations and their legal codes, as religions and their moral codes are needed in a society comprised of more than one person. They allow the terrible, beautiful diversity of the human collective to function together by establishing rules that enable efficient functioning through cooperation, and by minimizing conflict. They are meant to be tools that promote civilized collective action, and punish bad behavior, where bad behavior may be defined as the actions of an individual or individuals that infringe upon and hurt the rights or the capacity of another or of the collective. They help mitigate the overall risk for the collective, while allowing for trustful interaction between strangers, and providing some sense of certainty for the future. The paradox of nations as of religions, is their exclusion, when the best purpose they would serve is inclusion. The initial ideology that is founded to promote collective action, build scale, and share in combined prosperity is soon infected by the self-interested rationalism of the new, stronger, more powerful individual that has risen from a once burgeoning collective, which now competes with and possibly diametrically opposes other individuals, groups, or collectives on claims of superiority, resource scarcity, unabashed greed or what-have-you. This insularity, driven by a need to maximize personal gain, has plagued humanity from the beginning of time. When in fact the historic record would clearly advise that cooperation between humans and societies has allowed for unprecedented prosperity, the like of which would be unknown to smaller collections of humans on their own. The 21st century is a case in point, with 6.5 billion people sharing quantities of wealth and prosperity previously unknown to the planet (let's leave aside the wealth distribution argument for now), based on a social and economic system that is highly interdependent, and requires tremendous cooperation. Yet our instinct towards protectionism and individualism continues to overwhelm us."<BR/><BR/>http://promiscuous-dialectic.blogspot.com/2007/10/prisoners-dilemma.html<BR/><BR/>In the end, what I am saying is that my answer is the best answer. I am starting a new religion, and I promise that it will change the course of history. Right.<BR/><BR/>;-PAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7720353173141418796.post-6632784605579249122008-01-14T04:02:00.000-05:002008-01-14T04:02:00.000-05:00"Islam continues to be the fastest growing religio..."Islam continues to be the fastest growing religion in the world today. How do you explain that?"<BR/><BR/>Islam and Christianity are both growing! This is explained by the fact that there are more and more IGNORANT people being born in the world today !! religions are the root of politics and evil !Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7720353173141418796.post-22473788309852931872008-01-07T07:22:00.000-05:002008-01-07T07:22:00.000-05:00Remove Islam in history the world would have remai...Remove Islam in history the world would have remained backward and unorganised. Do you remember that the West owes its social and technological development to the scientific efforts of the middle aged Muslim scholars and scientists.<BR/>Despite the efforts of the western political leaders to demonise Islam, a close study of the religion will reveal to you that it is not all evil as being portrayed. Can we say because of the senseless crusade, the inhuman holocaust, the two world wars, the slave trade and colonialism that Christianity is all evil? Does the illegal creation of the state of Israel and the cruel occupation of Palestine make Judaism an evil religion?<BR/>ISLAM REMAINS TO BE THE RELIGION OF PEACE. CHRISTIANITY CONTINUES TO PROMOTE LOVE. Let the blood thirsty politicians stop their war mongering campaign of 'we against them'. If Snuffy Smith's wish is for Islam and Muslims to be exterminated, he should remember that his wish will never come true. Despite all the false propaganda against it, Islam continues to be the fastest growing religion in the world today. How do you explain that?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7720353173141418796.post-24708345329856499812008-01-07T06:13:00.000-05:002008-01-07T06:13:00.000-05:00I appreciat your vast concept of the conflict,& I ...I appreciat your vast concept of the conflict,& I quite agree with you that if not Islam there would have been other enemies.<BR/>It is the nature of human race ( as well as animal race) to make enemies ,the reason is always one...competition & clash of interests.<BR/>Yet we have to addmit now that Islam does impose a real threate to civilization.<BR/>USA should stop supporting Saudi Arabia as it is the majore base for terrorism in the world.<BR/>France should stop supporting Iran ...the other side of equation...then we might have a more safe 6 peaceful world.<BR/>Samir FaridAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com